My guest today is the perfect person to talk about what’s really happening in American religion. Ryan Burge is an ordained minister who witnessed American Christianity’s decline close up. In 2024, he had to close the doors of the church that he’d been pastoring. He’s also, in my own opinion, the best data analyst tracking trends in American religion right now, with a new book, “The Vanishing Church: How The Hollowing Out of Moderate Congregations Is Hurting Democracy, Faith, and Us.”